How petty is THAT?!? [Archive]

Beer Baron

03-15-2007, 04:38 PM

I finally managed to login to AMB through one of the many PMs that my work e-mailbox is littered with. They have apparently NOT heard the song, "unlitter it" over there.

Seriously, what is with all of the PM's over there? I'm talking between 20-30 in less than three days! This is absurd. People I've never spoken to/with just askng for my email address (Henz gets exemption from ridicule for this since he was genuinely trying to help me see the dark side of the abaco boards, plus we had already started a conversation) I guess people have to PM there since the Nazi's who moderate over there will just delete the posts they don't like.

I don't know who the hell Abacomah is, but evidently she's a little bent about a few things. And what the hell is a ralphie? Do you stick it in someone's drink? ...no, wait. I think that's a roofie... Oh, NOW I get it. Just looked at the post above mine and put 2+2 together. Abacomah could have been referring to the Dr.Raplh...Still doesn't make sense why she left a rant in my pm box.

Either way, much head-scratching going on here in Conshy today. It's 5:00 and I'm in desperate need of a cold barley soda. Cheers~!

Henz

03-15-2007, 04:48 PM

you got it! So, your planning a honeymoon huh?!

coolchik

03-15-2007, 05:05 PM

Baron,

Sound like you have your preferences set to send you an email everytime you get a PM or a reply on your thread

Beer Baron

03-15-2007, 06:11 PM

Henz: One sec, I still have a rant going here... Boy do I need a week on an island to de-stress!! You'll get a kick out of this:

On another board a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away, I had inquired about all of the irritation and animosity between the two boards. My inquiry on the public forum was treated like a lite-brite in Boston. They took it to an undisclosed destination and detonated it to ensure it wasn't an IED. The response to my question was made via PM. See above and you'll know just how much I appreciate PMs that arrive en masse. Below is the reply I got and the response I sent in return:

What's with all the animosity between the abacos msg board and the forum of a similar name? I just don't get it. They're both great! I can't figure out why the two can't just co-exist peacefully, but it seems they can't from all of the vitriol that seems to go back and forth. Anyway, I'm still just a noob, looking for info on the island cays.

This was the end of my post on that msg brd. Below is the Mod's reply:

They are both great. Each is unique. The Forum is fun and chatty. This message board is quiet, and gentle. Our sponsors don't like the link to the Forum. Sincerely, there is no animosity on this side. Have you ever seen anyone, or the Forum slammed here?

Sorry I had to delete you post, but your question is answered. Also sorry you got led astray by Henz. He has been causing trouble here for a long long time!

Enjoy what both have to offer!
XXX

To which I reply:

I'm all for the quiet and peaceful life - I think my interest in Abaco speaks to my enjoyment of peace and quiet. However, censorship is just plain wrong.

Of course no one from that board is slammed here. You censor anything that might possibly be considered remotely controversial! I don't know who thought that censoring the thought processes of the people who want to get to know the real Abaco, but it's just asanine.

BTW, I wouldn't say it was henz who led me astray, and neither would you if you hadn't been reading my PRIVATE messages. Bad moderator, no treats for you.

This being said, I will continue to straddle the fence between the fun and noisy and the quiet and censored.

Man, I think it would have been more effective if the mod had simply stated "People who can't or don't want to think for themselves come here to have it done for them" stinkin post nazis...

Okaay.... rant finished.

...So I'm having a honeymoon in the Abacos during the first week of November. We're thinking Nothern end of Elbow. The satellite maps we have show it's deserted enough for the privacy a honeymoon requires, and close enough to nightlife in case we come up for air. Thoughts?

Abacoparrott

03-15-2007, 07:24 PM

In the beginning.........we started out on Elbow before we migrated to Guana......I would still recommend Elbow for most newbies. The ONLY thing that I didn't like about the north end is that you can't drive a golf cart thru town.......and there is a lot to see and do on the south end of Elbow. In order to do this you will have to park a second cart rental(if you rented one for the north end)just on the south side of town. Each time you leave your home on the north end to go to the south end you have to walk thru town to get to your rental cart. I don't believe this set-up bothers Henz but it would irritate me. I don't blame the Hopetown folks for preventing golf cart use in town....the streets are simply too narrow and it would make it dangerous....On Guana carts can drive everywhere that folks can walk......but there are more entertainment options in Hopetown. All I really need is a Nippers and Sunset Beach and I'm happy as SamFam in a school of fish......:D Ken

patw

03-15-2007, 08:05 PM

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_1_112.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZN) "Also sorry you got led astray by Henz. He has been causing trouble here for a long long time!"

Shame, shame on you Henz!!!!!

http://www.smileycentral.com/sig.jsp?pc=ZSzeb097&pp=ZN (http://smiley.smileycentral.com/download/index.jhtml?partner=ZSzeb097_ZN&utm_id=7925)

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-15-2007, 08:08 PM

Baron, the reason you get those PM's asking for your e-mail address is because they know the PM's are monitored, at least electronically, to delete any references to this forum, Dr. Ralph or any links to web sites not on their prefered list, so those people may have been trying to send you something you can use in your search. If it's something different, then block it, or set up a separate e-mail address just for use on these two boards!

Island Daze

03-15-2007, 08:52 PM

Beer Baron glad you are here maybe you can take some of the heat from me.I seem to be able to stick my foot in my mouth quite a git and i think MAH would kill me if she could.OH well all is fun in Love and War.Welcome and enjoy.

SamFamAustin

03-15-2007, 10:37 PM

Hah! I have been sh!t-canned more on the AMB than you folks would ever dream, although I haven't had the PM and "ralphie" problems. I can understand the sh@rk issue, but apparently my irreverant sense of humor offended Mermaid and then some "Abacomah" person, actually a dude I think (never kicked the tires or checked under the hood). I mean, I was always a gentleman and all, and hope they don't de-list me because I think they have a huge and vital resource.

It's just that the water's better here most days. I did sorta notice that all my PM's were deleted from the AMB except for some thank-you's for helping a few folks. And that comment about MAH was meant to be very, very funny, all in jest, no problems, mate! :)

So Beer Baron have fun, unlitter, and great to hear your escapades. Hey how'd you come up with the monniker? Like beer?
/sammie

dpg4917

03-15-2007, 11:07 PM

Beer Baron - You are not alone.

I have also been bit by the AbacoMAH bug....can't quite understand her motive.

As a long time visitor to Abaco / BWI, I feel this board has a good feeling.... :)

Good luck in Nov.

DPG

Beer Baron

03-15-2007, 11:30 PM

Cathy Arizona

03-15-2007, 11:45 PM

Beer Baron: How long are you planning for your Abaco trip? We've stayed many times on Elbow and love both ends of the island. Often we rent a house for one week on the north end and another week on the south end. It's really not that big of a deal to pack up groceries and our stuff and move. The caretaker generally drives us through town to the other house or as far as the post office where another caretaker picks us up. I love the north end but we love running around by golf cart on the south end. Just a thought.

it'lldo

03-15-2007, 11:55 PM

welcome BB,
we prefer the north end and always get a cart, you keep it at the mail dock parking lot, walking through the settlement to get to the cart is a treat, I would never stay on Elbow without one, love the ability and choice to go down south when we have the urge. Some people get 2 and have one for either end.
You are gonna' love Abaco.

Beer Baron

03-16-2007, 12:15 AM

Cathy:
We're only going to be able to swing a week. Wish we could stay longer, but we're trying to keep our honeymoon from getting too out of control. We're doing a week at Paradise Island with our family for the wedding in late October and then the first week of November on our down on Elbow.

it'lldo: We're thinking we'll rent a boat - we figured an 18 footer should be fine for just the two of us - and a golf cart for the north side. I'm sure we'll love it. I'm literally counting the days until we arrive in the Bahamas - 221 days until I hop on the plane to Nassau and 228 until I set foot on Abaco! Can't wait!

Sunchaser

03-16-2007, 09:53 AM

Guilty, Guilty, Guilty! :confused: I did PM Beer Baron. Whew, won't do that again! I did ask for his email so I could tell him about the Forum and send pics since knew I would be squashed if I referenced AF. I am too challenged to put pics on the forum?? I did finally give him Sandy's website so he could get a good feel for where he was bringing his bride. I think Beer Baron realizes now that we are not a bunchof loonies, but good souls who want the very best for anyone new to Abaco.

Life is short, eat desert first!

Henz

03-16-2007, 10:53 AM

yo! I am back! love to see my name all over the place! hehe..BeerB I love the N end of elbow, as EVERYONE knows already on this post, I honeymooned at the Blest Next in October 2003 on the N end. rented the 20' Hydra from seaHorse (right in Hopetown) and a bigwheel cart. Docked the boat at the public dock on the N end. Would get a cart to get all your stuff back and forth to the boat and the daily trips into hopetown.
We didnt venture at all to the S end but will the next time, probably by boat..I think you can dock in the settlement in White Sound?..Where are you planning on staying>??

coolchik

03-16-2007, 11:33 AM

Speaking of Kalik - what's the price per case down there?

Are you sitting down?

$50.00 and worth it.

Beer Baron

03-16-2007, 12:06 PM

The Baron returns. Now with Pic-goodness! Avatar is a trail in one of my favorite shore towns in New Jersey. Cape May Point.

Sunchaser:
No worries. I was just suprised that I was inundated with so many requests for my email. Now that I see why, I'm not so miffed anymore.

Henz:
We were looking at the Nest as well. The future Mrs. Beer Baron is looking for beachfront and beach front only. From what I can tell, that seems to be the case there. Does Hydra have a website? I'm trying to get a handle on our expenses before we get there. I'm figuring about $5/gallon of gas and from my research, it looks like we'll get about 1 nautical mile per gallon. Any boaters know if this sounds right? I'm a noobie in all regards, so I have no idea if this is accurate or not.

CoolChick:
Wow. That price is ouchy. $50/case is what I pay for Guinness here in the States. Actually, it's only $45/case come to think of it! I'm sure it will be worth every precious drop though. I tried finding it in the continental US, and have had zero luck.

Henz

03-16-2007, 12:25 PM

I paid $50/case of Kalik in 03.
I would highly recomennd the nest. we actually stayed in the "Guest Nest" for $900/week rather than the actual Blest nest. We saved alot of money and had access to the beach..The owner stayed in the main house. We didnt mind, she is quite a hoot and left us alone. Maybe you want to check into that.
In a nutshell, my honeymoon cost around $5000, but we were there for 9 nights, 10 days.

PattyB

03-16-2007, 12:27 PM

Kalik is available at Publix in FL, $6.99 a 6 pack.

Henz

03-16-2007, 12:31 PM

yeah BeerB, when you figure out your "food/Entertainment" budget, double it and you should be ok.

Beer Baron

03-16-2007, 12:46 PM

yeah BeerB, when you figure out your
"food/Entertainment" budget, double it and you should be ok.
Too funny. That's exactly how I'm trying to plan it! I'm guessing the prices for Kalik are probably even higher nowadays.
I think we'll look into doing the same thing. Speaking of the Nest, how far was the main house from the cottage? Have you been back since? Is it the same owners?

220 days and counting...

Henz

03-16-2007, 12:53 PM

THIS is too funny, I asked the same questions..We wanted seclusion and all that jazz too. Well, the guest nest is only about 100' from the main house, but you ahve to walk up wooden steps since the main house sits on top of the bluff. You cant see the ocean from the Guest Nest jsut so you know, but you can surly hear it..Truthfully, we didnt mind not being able to see it. We could always get to it easily if we wanted to, but, like i said, after spending 3/4 of the day on the boat alittle land time was nice.
One thing, you have to contact HopeTown Hideaways and have them request from the owner if she would be interested in only renting the Guest Nest. In the off season I believe that she still does but maybe that has changed. Let me tell you though, it saved us lots. It was a perfect little cottage, clean, nice bathroom and kitchen..ITs basically jsut an open area with a bed, dining table and a kitchen with a bar table top..and then the bathroom..It has air conditioning..IT was perfect for us.
I beleive it is the same owner.

03-16-2007, 02:37 PM

BeerBaron,

If you run about 3/4 throttle, and trim your engine properly you should get 2 or 3 miles per gallon.
Fuel has gone down some - so if you budget $4.00 per gallon you should be safe.
If you shop in Marsh Harbor you can find beer for $40.00 per case.

R.

DrRalph

03-16-2007, 02:42 PM

I am too challenged to put pics on the forum??

You can get simple (?) instructions on how to post a picture in the Forum Introduction and Policies Guide (http://www.abacoforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33); the info is near the end of the article.

Patti Puzo

03-16-2007, 02:55 PM

SamFam: Nah, just love the beers and I plan to live like royalty while I'm there. Except that I don't need people to wait on me hand and foot. But I sure do love beer. Can't wait to try some Kalik! Speaking of Kalik - what's the price per case down there?

Hi BB, just got an email from Rusty at Bristol's in Marsh Harbour, and he said the current case price for Kalik and Kalik Light is $39.50. For some reason, they don't stock Kalik Gold (which, IMHO, is the best).
Patti Puzo

Henz

03-16-2007, 02:58 PM

which brings up the subject, do you or do you not stock up on the groceries prior to crossing to the out islands! Last time I bought everything in Hopetown, this next trip, we are planning on renting or being picked up in Marsh with the rental boat and, since there is more leaway with time, we will have the taxi stop and we will pick up groceries prior to crossing.

Abacoparrott

03-16-2007, 06:58 PM

Too funny. That's exactly how I'm trying to plan it! I'm guessing the prices for Kalik are probably even higher nowadays.
I think we'll look into doing the same thing. Speaking of the Nest, how far was the main house from the cottage? Have you been back since? Is it the same owners?

220 days and counting...

I think Henz must have bought his beer in Hopetown.....I believe you can get Kalik in Marsh Harbour for under 40.00......before my Cardiac Doc dictated red wine to me, I always bought the Kalik in MH when I got off de plane and before boarding the ferry to Guana.....:D ken

Jerry S

03-16-2007, 07:13 PM

$12 per six pack at Fig Tree Liquors on Guana last year :eek: You get more bang for your buck with fairly reasonable priced local rums and Skye vodka.

PELLUCID

03-16-2007, 08:44 PM

$36/case at the liquor store in Dove Plaza, Marsh Harbour. But you have to tote the stuff 3 or 4 blocks to the dinghy dock. I can't think of a better example of free markets at work.

SamFamAustin

03-16-2007, 09:31 PM

Free markets? Here in Texas a 12-pack of imported Tecate is like $12, so $26 per case with some very hefty taxes included. Somebody's slapping on a $10 premium to drink beer in the Bahamas, or is it just shipping? It's pretty insane, folks, since I am/was a beer brewer and know the ingredients cost about 50 cents per 12 ounces on a bad day in small homebrew batches. Huge corporations such as Heinekin/Kalik ought to be able to make beer for less than half that. Industrial-strength beer is made for about 15 cents a serving but they actually market the stuff, unlike Kalik. Sorry to rant, but beer should be dirt cheap and rum should be expensive.

Rum is simply a beer-like mash that is brewed and distilled one to five times. Same action, a yeast converts the starches and sugars into alcohol, CO2, and water, with some waste in the bottom. It takes some very fancy distilling equipment and another one or more years to make rum, but real beer only takes three months green (which most is these days). I just don't get it - no way Kalik costs over a buck a beer to brew, market, and distribute when they can make it for 15 cents a whop, container, label, and everything.

Somebody is getting very, very rich off this beer trade. It makes me wonder if the Bahamian government has a law against private citizens brewing homebew, wine, and hootch. I'd be all over that! /sammie

TurtleDreams

03-16-2007, 09:44 PM

$36/case at the liquor store in Dove Plaza, Marsh Harbour. But you have to tote the stuff 3 or 4 blocks to the dinghy dock. I can't think of a better example of free markets at work.

And interestingly enough just about any brand of beer you can find is the same price/case! I think Kalik is good but, even though I may be tarred and feathered as well as "Banned for life", I like a more full bodied beer. So if you you think the "local" product will be a better buy, it isn't, and wine is also pricey by US standards. Be sure to read the thread on "your favorite RUM THANG". You just might be converted to a Rum Baron or (would that be Rum Lord) Ah don' know, I just use the excuse that it's better for you with all that fruit juice in it!:o

Beer Baron

03-16-2007, 09:47 PM

Bummber about the beer prices. Looks like I just became a rum drinker.

*sigh*

Henz: You wouldn't happen to know where I might find some pics of the blest nest's guest house, would you? The missus won't stay somewhere she can't see first...:rolleyes: What can one do?

coolchik

03-16-2007, 10:16 PM

Baron.

As a Bride that was taken to Abaco by my sweet new hubby, the last thing I wanted was 1) Him being rummed up after a day in the sun. 2) Him not being able to enjoy his favorite beverage. And 3) Him starting to worry about what things cost (after all, you only do it once if you're lucky. And pretty much figure it will take 2-3 years to pay it off).

I don't think anyone has said this so I will: HALF the clothes and TWICE the money.

Your bride is very lucky she has a man that is looking at all these things, but don't be penny wise and dollar foolish. And be sure to have a little extra cash to buy that art piece or outfit she sees. Also plan on a very nice/expensive dinner at the Harbour Lodge.

Besides, what's $40 or so a case? Two bucks a beer. Try that at any bar in the states...and we don't have the surroundings. And get at least a 20-23 foot boat. Bigger is better!

Abacoparrott

03-17-2007, 12:53 AM

Beer Baron

03-17-2007, 12:54 AM

Sam: see, now ya got me started...*checks the name of the forum* No worries, you're in the rant-room. Go nuts griping about this. Personally, I'm outraged, but I am getting the mantra going in my head already:
I am supporting the local economy...I am supporting the local economy...I am supporting the local economy...

It doesn't help a bit, but what can ya do but brew your own?

Turtle:
My fiancee and I were talking about this earlier tonight. We're probably going to grab some packets of pre-sweetened Kool Aid before we leave and just drop a bottle of rum into a big pitcher with some limes, assorted fruits and toss in the Kool Aid. OH YEAH!! (for those who remember the commercials) I just may have to change my name after all...I'm thinking Rum Runner...

Cool Chick:
I really can't imagine how much that extra 3-5 feet is going to help us. I would think that the larger the boat, the more the fuel consuption. Much like the difference between a VW rabbit and a Hummer. Sure you get a smoother ride out of the Hummer, but you also get 8 miles to the gallon as opposed to 32 miles to the gallon...I don't mind getting bounced around a little if I'm saving on gas, (not to mention about $50/day on boat rental fees) and I don't think I'll ever get far enough away to lose sight of land, so I don't really need a big boat.

Beer Baron

03-17-2007, 01:05 AM

Sammie and I are gonna have to have a chat......he's makin' the same arguments that I mentioned 6 years ago.......nice to know that someone is thinking this beer thang thru.........kinda makes you wonder why a beer brewed in the Bahamas costs $36 a case there (with no taxes of any kind) and $28 in the states.....hmmmmmm.........

It's simple. Because people keep paying it. Simple supply and demand principle applies. 28 is a pretty steep price for a case of beer (depending on what you drink on a regular basis) so the states adjusts the price to a slim margin since they can make a killing on Kalik. In the Bahamas, there appears to be a huge demand for this beer, so they crank up the price. This is capitalism at its finest.

Take Yuengling Lager for example. They are the oldest brewer in the3 continental US. They've always brewed a tasty lager, but it went out of fashion in the 40's and 50's. During the mid 90's there was a surge in interest in their beer since it only cost 12.00/case. Nowadays, after the explosion of interest in LAGER (that's all we call it here)...Try closer to 19-22/case.

If we were to lower the demand, and raise the supply levels, there would be no choice but to lower the prices on the brewer's part. Since this sounds dangerously close to mutiny, I will go back to drinking my green beer and singing irish songs about whiskey.

coolchik

03-17-2007, 01:27 AM

Cool Chick:
I really can't imagine how much that extra 3-5 feet is going to help us. I would think that the larger the boat, the more the fuel consuption. Much like the difference between a VW rabbit and a Hummer. Sure you get a smoother ride out of the Hummer, but you also get 8 miles to the gallon as opposed to 32 miles to the gallon...I don't mind getting bounced around a little if I'm saving on gas, (not to mention about $50/day on boat rental fees) and I don't think I'll ever get far enough away to lose sight of land, so I don't really need a big boat.

Apparantly, some of the boys with toys here need to clue you in. I'm out.

coolchik

03-17-2007, 03:46 AM

It's simple.

To you. The Bahamas is not the US. Do you understand the Stamp Tax? Their regulations regarding imports? How the Bahamian Economy works?

Before you start *****ing I suggest you do some learning.

God I hate newbies sometimes.

lurker pete

03-17-2007, 09:06 AM

I find it so much fun to lurk. I don't want to be chastised for being a "newbie".
Lurker Pete

SusieAndAl

03-17-2007, 09:14 AM

Hi Everyone,

Here's the real story. When the project to make and sell a native beer was first floated, it was very clear that this would be a financial windfall. But, government approval was required and to get that the Church had to approve as well (without the Church's support, you lose the election, both then and now). Now, the vast majority of church leaders are formally pious men (no women can rise above Minister level here) who disapprove of liquor and gambling. (That's why it's illegal for Bahamians to gamble in the casinos here). A brilliant compromise was struck: a high special tax would be imposed to a) deter locals from drinking a lot of it, b) the government got lots of money, c) the owners got really rich and of course d) needed a lot of consulting and business services help to run this new empire which of course entails very high fees to get the best advice :)! Errybody wins. Keep in mind that exports weren't even thought of, and the same rules couldn't be applied to rum for obvious reasons.

So there you have it -- the REAL reason for the price tag. Two more Kalik tidbits: 1) Brewmeisters from Heineken were hired to get things going and two, the locals' favorite beer is NOT Kalik, it's Heineken!

Cheers -- Susie and Al

Abacoparrott

03-17-2007, 09:36 AM

I had suspected these types of "schemes" but just didn't have the details.....shoulda known that the gov'ts hand was in there somewhere. this is a new concept....beer brewed by the gov't.......:D ken

Abacoparrott

03-17-2007, 09:46 AM

On most days the smaller boat will work just fine.....I have used them for many years. The larger boats DO offer a smoother ride but at a cost as you stated. If you are an experienced boater and take the smaller boat out on a rough day you'll still be fine.....just a mite uncomfortable but it's still safe. If you're not experienced then buy your wife a sports bra....:D ken

SamFamAustin

03-17-2007, 01:26 PM

I got mine, Ken! :p

I'm starting to see some relationships here, like the bigger the boat, the more beer and booze you can float, plus the booze doesn't get all shook up!

Then I figured the Bahamian guv'mint doesn't trust its own people, so they prohibit them from spending money on casinos yet require casinos to hire the locals! They want to sell guv'mint beer but charge a fortune so the locals won't drink it. Makes perfect sense to me, go for the cheaper rum and sugarcane moonshine, pilgrims!

Aye, the blarmy is thick on this St. Patrick's Day.
sammie

Beer Baron

03-17-2007, 01:30 PM

Chick:
No intend to offend. Being a self-admited noob, I have no idea what the real reason the costs are so high. Please do try to have some patience, Abaco ain't done learnin me yet. :o

SusieAndAl:
Thanks for the explanation. I find it interesting that Heineken is behind Kalik. Are the tastes anywhere in the same neighborhood?

Parrot:
I'm not exactly expericend, so I probably won't venture out if the Cruiser's Net (VHF68 @ 0815, no?) calls for anything over 2-3 foot swells. I learned long ago in another scenario that there's a big difference between knowing your limitations and being a pansy. Dang near died learning the difference.

Still looking at places on the island. We found one that's on that cay/island across fom HopeTown Harbor. Price is fairly agreeable, and it comes with a boat, so we'll see what says the missus...

Patti Puzo

03-17-2007, 01:49 PM

The bottom line is, you and your bride are going to love it, no matter the size of the boat (but bigger is safer IMHO - after last springs BIG winds), what you drink, what you wear (although the last item should not be a problem for you two:rolleyes: ).
You won't know exactly what I mean 'til you are there for your first day or 2.

Yes, things are done a little differently than in the states, a good many things are lots more expensive, and sometimes tricky to find or get to, but that all leads to the charm that is Abaco, and not some crowded mega-resort.
Relax, do your research on the place you plan to stay, and the rest will fall into place (as long as you have made all your reservations WELL ahead of time - boat included).
If there was an Abaco crystal ball, you could see what makes this place so extraordinary. Until then, just keep posting and lurking... we enjoy your posts.
The good people that hang out on this board are always happy to help and chime in! They help make our trips smooth and fun.
Patti

PS - Happy St. Paddy's Day:D

DaGoose

03-17-2007, 01:49 PM

...Kalik GOLD!!!

Patti Puzo

03-17-2007, 01:52 PM

Tina KNOWs what she is talking about! That is my fav too!

DrRalph

03-17-2007, 02:09 PM

[quote]I'm not exactly expericend, so I probably won't venture out if the Cruiser's Net (VHF68 @ 0815, no?) calls for anything over 2-3 foot swells. I learned long ago in another scenario that there's a big difference between knowing your limitations and being a pansy. Dang near died learning the difference.
quote]

BB, check out How Rough is the Sea of Abaco (http://www.drralph.net/How_Rough.html)? The bottom line is this: when you are running against a stiff chop, and you're looking at a long fetch and a long run, the longer the boat, the less you'll get knocked around. If you're just putzing around your local area, it's not such a big deal. If you're trying to run from TC to Elbow Cay against a 20 kt wind, you'll wish you were in a 40-footer.

DaGoose

03-17-2007, 02:10 PM

Why drink the regular or light when, for almost the same price, you can drink the super duper???

BB, the 2 cottages on the tiny cay next to Elbow look fabulous, I believe that they are owned by Island Marine and there's some great history there. The main thing to consider is, if the wifey likes her 'night' life, that would be a problem. You do not want to run the boat at night.

BTW, that second photo in my previous post is the beach in front of the Hopetown Harbour Lodge last November. We had absolutely perfect weather!

Tina

SamFamAustin

03-17-2007, 03:09 PM

Shhhhh! Don't tell anybody there's gold in them thar Cays. More for you and me! :D

As to the boats, beating to windward can be an experience for folks who don't, well, know their boat from a hole in the water. Many people insist upon heading into the SE breeze and chop at nearly high throttle, which results in a very uncomfortable feeling technically known as the "Bibbety-Bibbety Effect." It can unhinge your teeth, kidneys, and any giggly thangs pretty fast.

So slow down, save the speeding for going downwind. Most modern boats in the smaller sizes are not designed with higher bluff bows like a Bertram so it could get wet but at least you will be in control. If it looks like you're going to "catch a crab" and dive into a larger wave, you must vary the throttle or you could take on water, even in an Albury - more throttle should raise the bow if timed right. I have seen Boston Whalers get swamped for catching a crab so turn around and go back if you don't feel good about it.

As to night-time driving on the water, well, don't. Some rental companies might restrict it but it just isn't a wise move. Play on the water sun-up to sundown and then some home to dry land and party like the local conch do. /sammie

DaGoose

03-17-2007, 04:03 PM

Oops, sorry Sammie! What I meant to say was I'd really rather have the regular Kalik, it has such a pretty blue label!

Tina

Beer Baron

03-18-2007, 12:26 PM

*Holding bag of ice to forehead* I am ouch today...

Doc: I don't think we'll be getting out to TC on our first trip...that's a little too far out. We're probably going to keep Elbow in sight on our excursions. I'm starting to think the 20-23' Albury might be the more forgiving boat.

Sammie: LOL...Bibbety bibbety effect...I can only imagine the side-effects.

DaGoose: LOVE that pic of the harbor! I am praying and trying to summon the gods of surf and sea for weather like that during our stay.

patw

03-18-2007, 07:59 PM

Paid $15.00 for a six pack of regular Kalik yesterday at Fig Tree Liquors.:eek:

$12 per six pack at Fig Tree Liquors on Guana last year :eek: You get more bang for your buck with fairly reasonable priced local rums and Skye vodka.

Henz

03-19-2007, 10:15 AM

Beer Baron, goto the Hopetown Hideaways website and you can use the interavtive map..Click on the Blest nest etc. There are pics on it. Otherwise, I can look through my pics and see if there is something that would help, I am sure that I have a few..Let me know if you would like me to send you some.

Beer Baron

03-19-2007, 10:58 AM

Henz: Pics of Elbow are always welcome! We've been searching for rentals all over the Cay, and I think the Nest might be out of contention for our honeymoon suite. It's just that the owners are asking 2100/wk and they don't have a private dock.

I found another home rental site where the prices on some of their homes are rather attractive. I found a few that were nearly a grand cheaper than the Nest and have private docks/slips. That will really come in handy when we're coming home all salty and sandy!

Henz

03-19-2007, 11:13 AM

which rental place>?? Pm me if you would like to discuss further..Which side of the island do you want to be on? The main or the sea of abaco..We liked beign on the main ocean side..I know that if you would liek to have even more seclusion, Lubbers is nice..You can contact Patti at Summerview, they have great rates.

Beer Baron

03-19-2007, 11:37 AM

Henz:
We're definitely looking to stay on Elbow, since we don't want to chance boating at night. Besides, on our way home from the bars, we might not be in any shape to operate a boat, so Lubbers is out (for this trip).
We both like sunset more than sunrise, so we're thinking of something on the sea of abaco side.

Henz

03-19-2007, 12:05 PM

man, I was just like you in the quest for the perfect spot..Truthfully, they are all perfect in their own way..dont stress! your on the right track!

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-19-2007, 12:55 PM

Baron,
Check these: http://seagullcottages.com/cottages.html

03-19-2007, 02:07 PM

Baron,
Check these: http://seagullcottages.com/cottages.html
Beer Baron,

Gully's Nest (see above) has a nice pool for you and the Wife to lay around, beautifull grounds full of fruit trees, and a large dock.
The house is up Nigh Creek at the Back of Hopetown Harbor.
R.

Beer Baron

03-19-2007, 07:28 PM

Half-a-Hamian & CR: Thanks for the heads up. We'll add them to the pool of properties we're considering. I think we're up to about 25-30 properties to choose from on Elbow alone. Decisions decisions...

Agurs Wish

03-20-2007, 02:58 PM

I have only two things to say to you guys "hard liquor' after 2 years of living down there the captain finally went into Bristols to bargain about JD (if you have to ask what that stands for, I feel really sorry for you) and found it cheaper than in the states.

Henz

03-20-2007, 03:01 PM

Cheaper than in the states? I dont know about that..Goto New Hampshire where they have 0 tax on liquor. We own a liquor store here in NYS, a (1.75l) of JD will run you $40. Goto new Hampshire you can pick the same thing up for probably around $25.

Beer Baron

03-20-2007, 03:55 PM

Argurs:

Ol' John and I have been on a first name basis for years.:)

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-20-2007, 04:06 PM

Doesn't he make tractors?

Beer Baron

03-22-2007, 12:35 PM

Man, those moderators on the other board sure do their job with a heavy hand, don't they? I can only hope my bartenders have an equally heavy pouring hand!

Tried to get a discussion going on the other board regarding the Marsh Harbor Airport expansion plans, and had my thread closed by a mod because it was a "rumor". It was a newspaper article that we were discussing, NOT some guy on the corner's opinion!! If it was a rumor, why put it in the paper? Was that story so bold that the author would flatout lie about the heavy equipment clearing land in preparation for the project? Somehow I think not. Whadda bunch of horse poop.

Interestingly enough, I tried to send a PM to the moderator that closed my thread, and can no longer post on the board. I can login, but not post. Strange how this technical problem arose right after they closed one of my threads. Bunch'a hosers.

Abacoparrott

03-22-2007, 12:46 PM

I sometimes wonder which way the gears are turning in that mind, ya know? I didn't see any rumor or politics in that thread. Looked like Abacopotcake was trying to be helpful but hey, it's their board and they can run it in any way they see fit. We, on the other hand, have choices......ken:D

SamFamAustin

03-22-2007, 01:08 PM

I try to avoid the subject, as they're their own worst enemy and now I don't care one way or the other ... here we can talk about excessive bay boogers, drinks, fish, and fun. I'm going to bring my Ukulele over when I come later the spring ... do y'all know the words to "Cigars, whisky, and wild women" or "S**t makes the flowers grow?" Well, there's always a place to start, right?
sammie

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-22-2007, 01:11 PM

I got PM'd 3 times from the MOD on the same post, after I gave the newspaper link and said the the rumor was in print from Nassau.

Abacoparrott

03-22-2007, 01:18 PM

shakin' my head........:D ken

Beer Baron

03-22-2007, 04:21 PM

I keep trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I get the impression that there are personal scores getting settled by the deletion or closing of posts. Been surfing the net for 15 years in various forums and boards, and have never seen censorship on such a grand scale.

My hat is off to those who showed me the light and introduced me to the REAL Abaco message board.

coolchik

03-22-2007, 05:28 PM

Been surfing the net for 15 years...

You and Al Gore?;)

From what I have seen, there are five things that will get a thread closed on AMB. Plane crashes, sharks, hurricanes, Baker's Bay and the Airport.

The reason for this I'd guess is because all of them can lead to uneasiness by potential visitors. And usually there is a lot of rumour and opinion associated with any of the five. When and if they actually start work on the airport runway, I'm sure you'll see it talked about. I just don't think they want you to start a panic about it closing. Doubt it's personal.

bluewhirld

03-22-2007, 06:13 PM

today I was at the airport and the bulldozers are fast at work knocking down the trees for the new runway just south of the existing. it will be so fantastic. i watched a Continental Beech 1900 have to wait to enter the runway about 10 minutes for an incoming. I thought it was a big girl like Bahamasair Dash 8, but it was a YellowairTaxi Cessna 402, having to wait all that time. The new runway will cut travel time and make for such a better flying experience.

Some VHF radios have a channel for the pilots calling each other as they have to traffic themselves due to no tower. it is very interesting to hear them incoming/outgoing/during summer thundersqualls/wind/general communication. fun to listen to while you are "tanning your toes in the Abacos".

Abacoparrott

03-22-2007, 07:09 PM

If Bluewhirld is accurate then the "airport thang" is no rumor.....ya'll get my drift? Ken:D

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-22-2007, 07:28 PM

Well Ken, you know it could be they're trying to improve drainage INTO the existing strip's potholes!

Beer Baron

03-22-2007, 07:36 PM

And this is scheduled for completion in 18 months?

Abacoparrott

03-22-2007, 07:42 PM

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-22-2007, 09:18 PM

When Christie came to Cherokee for the dedication of the Community Centre, he and his motorcade came on the fast ferry to Sandy Point and drove up, if that tells you anything.

DaGoose

03-22-2007, 09:57 PM

a little water........a little sand....a little cement and....VOILA! A repaired pothole! On another note......ya reckon any g'mt Officials from Nassau have ever visited the MHH terminal on a Sunday? If I were a g'mt Official, I would be sooooo embarrassed.....just some 'tings that rattle around in my head from time to time.......ken:D

Ken, what's so different about a Sunday? Just an innocent question from a relative newbie:D

You gotta work on those tings rattlin' around, do they go bibbety bibbety?

Tina

coolchik

03-22-2007, 10:11 PM

Funny you should ask...

after Jeanne. But I do think this was Monday morning.

coolchik

03-22-2007, 10:12 PM

If Bluewhirld is accurate then the "airport thang" is no rumor.....ya'll get my drift? Ken:D

How do you know heshe is accurate?

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-22-2007, 10:36 PM

How do you know heshe is accurate?

If you'll re-read the post, the bulldozers were hard at work! They have other contracts that keep them busy, so the Gov't. must have coughed up some incentive!;)

coolchik

03-22-2007, 11:08 PM

Did you read the article?

"These are pre-construction works..."

Not saying it isn't happening. Just saying I remember last year. Remember? This could all stop in May after the elections.

DaGoose

03-22-2007, 11:33 PM

Coolchik, is that guy/dignitary doin' the Texas 2 Step?

Sorry Sammie couldn't resist!

What the heck are we talking about anyway?

I think I need to put away the wine and go to bed!

Tina

dpg4917

03-22-2007, 11:37 PM

coolchik : as a long time Abaco/BWI visitor and new 2nd homeowner on Elbow Cay - what is wrong with improving the runway @ MHH. :cool:

it'lldo

03-22-2007, 11:58 PM

[QUOTE=coolchik;5915]You and Al Gore?;)

From what I have seen, there are five things that will get a thread closed on AMB. Plane crashes, sharks, hurricanes, Baker's Bay and the Airport.

but there are 8 things, you forgot Dr. Ralph and this forum or just about anybody who posts here.

Beer Baron

03-23-2007, 09:39 AM

Snarky comments aside (yup, 15 years surfing on teh internet, way back when 28.8kps was smoking fast as opposed to my 9600 baud modem) the moderators of the board appear more interested in making sure people post within their rather narrowly defined confines. The mere mention of anything that might put a potential tourist off are deleted, censored, or simply closed off from further discussion. There are kindergarten teachers who allow for more leeway during a duscussion than those mods!

Anyone who reads my closed post there will now have more questions than answers bacause of their heavy-handed moderation. Makes me wonder if XXX isn't shorthand for MAH:rolleyes:

coolchik

03-23-2007, 11:32 AM

Too funny Dagoose! That's the (cough cough) Honorable Prime Minister Perry Christie. You can't see the half-dozen armed guards to the left.

DGP, I have nothing against the MHH airport being improved. (well, I guess I really don't want it big enough for 737s.) I was simply saying that we've all heard this song before. I'm dubious because it's timing seems political.

BB, just funnin you. I was imaging 'surfing' with a 28 modem. More like dog-paddling with an anchor around your waist.

My last word on the subject. The AMB policy is posted at the very top of the board. Seems only a tiny fraction of people have a problem with it. I just don't think complaining about it here is appropriate.

Peace all.

Beer Baron

03-23-2007, 11:42 AM

CC - No worries. I started out at 9600 baud. More like trying to surf on a slab of iron wearing concrete shoes and an anchor around the waist.

We would post our grievances on the other board, but they'd just get deleted in a heartbeat. That's what makes this far and away a better board

PattyB

03-23-2007, 12:50 PM

Coolchick, you have a keen understanding of policies at the Abaco Community Message Board. You should be a moderator.

I moderated there for several years. The rules are simple and meant to make visitors feel comfortable and welcome, like Abaco. Rumors confuse folks making plans. There was certainly nothing personal in the decisions I made. Although, I did take it personal when posters tried to sneak things past, or made deliberate attempts to undermine us. The way I see it, the Message Board is run now as it always was. Frankly, I'm bored by this whole thread bashing those moderators, who are only following the policy outlined by Sinclair many years ago. I've grown weary watching all of you beat that dead horse! It's dead. Put it to rest.

Abacoparrott

03-23-2007, 03:20 PM

Ken, what's so different about a Sunday? Just an innocent question from a relative newbie:D

You gotta work on those tings rattlin' around, do they go bibbety bibbety?

Tina

Saturdays and Sundays at the MHH terminal is a zoo. Stepping over bags, sweating, rubbing up against people that you are not attracted too, etc.....on the other hand....Mon-thursday is very pleasant....enjoyable even.....unfortunately, most homes in Abaco rent from Sat -Sat in the high season ( most of year) this is one of the reasons that I love to visit during hurricane season (oct-nov). Homeowners will rent from tues-tues...ect. so you can fly in during the week. Having a few restaurants closed doesn't bother me in the least. Also, the locals have a little more time to "chew-the-fat" with you.........only been thru one hurricane there....

And Coolchik.....if you noticed I said "If" Bluewhirld is accurate......covered my butt on dat one girl. Of course, if we could get another person to "confirm" this "land clearing" then I suppose that it wouldn't be a rumor would it? Can someone take pictures? :D ken

Abacoparrott

03-23-2007, 03:41 PM

that those of us who have "been around" for awhile should expect the type of moderation that goes on, on the AMB. It's been that way forever and will not change. What keeps bringing it up are the newbies who "just discovered" these policies and are rather shocked so.....just as the polices have been that way forever then the newbies complaints will also go on forever. I also agree that the members of this forum do not "need" to attack the AMB policies. All they have to do is use this forum instead. Dr Ralph should be thankful for the AMB policy as it created a market for this one. Different types of people will appreciate one forum or the other with a few using both.....as it should be.......I'm just thrilled that we now have a choice.....a choice of freer speech. I seriously doubt that comments made on this forum will ever scare a possible Abaco tourist away. If they are that easily deterred then they probably wouldn't like Abaco anyway.....back to the 'ol "Abaco is not for Sissies" thang, ya know?:D ken

RTime

03-23-2007, 03:57 PM

I seriously doubt that comments made on this forum will ever scare a possible Abaco tourist away. If they are that easily deterred then they probably wouldn't like Abaco anyway.....back to the 'ol "Abaco is not for Sissies" thang, ya know?:D ken

AMEN to that..........:D

HALF-A-HAMIAN

03-23-2007, 06:03 PM

Well, shut my mouth, thats my cousin's heavy equipment. I know he doesn't work for free! And, yes, it's probably just lip-service, but it's a start,and if, God willing, the proper officials are put in office, it will continue to completion.
Welcome to MY islands!

coolchik

03-24-2007, 08:20 PM

Coolchick, you have a keen understanding of policies at the Abaco Community Message Board. You should be a moderator.

I moderated there for several years.

Patty, I'm tired of the heat I received here! I can't imagine going through what you must have. Suffice to say I'd rather let the hubby fight the internet battles and just make sure I have a frozen Nippers in one hand, a book in the other, and a "Do not Disturb till Cocktail Hour" sign surrounding me.:)

bluewhirld

03-24-2007, 09:14 PM

I know what you are talking about

PattyB

03-24-2007, 10:02 PM

Patty, I'm tired of the heat I received here! I can't imagine going through what you must have. Suffice to say I'd rather let the hubby fight the internet battles and just make sure I have a frozen Nippers in one hand, a book in the other, and a "Do not Disturb till Cocktail Hour" sign surrounding me.:)
Yes indeed! It's like listening to Rush Limbaugh. Listen in September, tune in again in January, and he is still griping about the same old stuff. YAWN! Nothig is going to change by griping. My experience as moderator has not made me a fan of internet bullies, either. How easy is it to hide behind a screen name? That said, no wonder we protected our privacy as moderators? I'm glad to be out of the closet, and put the past behind me. I'm also proud of the way we moderated according to the No-Nos set out by Sinc. I don't envy what the new moderators are experiencing now.

I think it's time for me to hang your "Do not disturb till cocktail hour" sign. I have just under 3 weeks for my countdown. I need to rehearse! Practice makes perfect!!!

coolchik

03-24-2007, 10:19 PM

Hope you have a great time! We are returning to our other love, the mountains, this June. Jellystone here we come! Hope to see a lot of these big boys. (Although this one does look like a guy at Nippers...)

Shelby

03-25-2007, 09:47 PM

I couldn't believe how your post was handled on the AMB. I, too, am flying into MH and am concerned about possible issues related to the airport. I thought your post was completely within reason... That situation was the last straw for me - I'm done with AMB. Glad I found the real board, too.

Have a great honeymoon in Nov. We'll be on ours in Elbow Cay in May - will send you a report when we're back.

Shelby

SamFamAustin

03-25-2007, 11:07 PM

I dunno but that big fella in the yellow shirt looks like he's about to drop a load into his shorts, kinda holding it in or somethang.

Beer Baron

03-25-2007, 11:22 PM

Shelby:
Thank you. I was sort of shocked that they would snap the trap shut on e like that, but the more I experience the other board, the more I see that they prefer their readers keep their heads in the sand than get good information about current events. I still read there, but for the most part I'll be posting here.

Agurs Wish

04-01-2007, 12:39 PM

When we landed sometime last week there was a really strong crosswind and the plane (American) swerved all over the place. I explained to the newcomer in the seat in front of us that the pilot was just avoiding the potholes.:D

Local Knowledge

05-08-2007, 03:21 PM

For those who wonder about the price of beer in the Bahamas our Gov. takes a $20:00 'sin' tax for each case either domestic or imported. There is a Gov official stationed at Commonwealth Breweries in Nassau to make sure they (Gov.) get their due. Every pallet that leaves the place is counted as it goes thru the officials office. Seems stupid to me that a case of beer here is $40:00+/- & a bottle of rum is $12:00 but that is the way it is. I am a local & I prefer Heineken as Suzie & Al mentioned. The Airport issue sure is a hot topic & I am of the opinion that the now former Gov. only started work on the new runway as an election ploy to gain support. Not uncommon for the governing party to start any given project just before elections, been done many times before (by both sides) & will be done again before the next election I'll bet. It wil be up to the new Gov. (FNM) to get going on our new airport & they better listen to the people & get it right the first time otherwise they risk being a one term Government also. I thank those visitors who continue to tolerate the deplorable conditions at MH Int. Airport to come visit us & hope that soon there will be only memorys of that disgrace. Note: How many of you remember the original MH airport? Now there was a shoebox! Also I gave up months ago trying to post on the 'other' board after being censored & was wondering what had happened to Dr. Ralph & other posters. Now I know. Enough for now.

LK.

Henz

05-08-2007, 03:27 PM

yup, we welcome you...When was the current MHH put in? I was there in 1985..would that have been the old airport?

Jerry S

05-08-2007, 03:52 PM

Aboard LK. As I remember you had some very valuable info on the other board :) Glad to have you with us to help provide a "locals" point of view. Take a look at the Home Page for all of the Forum's choices in which to post.

For those who wonder about the price of beer in the Bahamas our Gov. takes a $20:00 'sin' tax for each case either domestic or imported. There is a Gov official stationed at Commonwealth Breweries in Nassau to make sure they (Gov.) get their due. Every pallet that leaves the place is counted as it goes thru the officials office. Seems stupid to me that a case of beer here is $40:00+/- & a bottle of rum is $12:00 but that is the way it is. I am a local & I prefer Heineken as Suzie & Al mentioned. The Airport issue sure is a hot topic & I am of the opinion that the now former Gov. only started work on the new runway as an election ploy to gain support. Not uncommon for the governing party to start any given project just before elections, been done many times before (by both sides) & will be done again before the next election I'll bet. It wil be up to the new Gov. (FNM) to get going on our new airport & they better listen to the people & get it right the first time otherwise they risk being a one term Government also. I thank those visitors who continue to tolerate the deplorable conditions at MH Int. Airport to come visit us & hope that soon there will be only memorys of that disgrace. Note: How many of you remember the original MH airport? Now there was a shoebox! Also I gave up months ago trying to post on the 'other' board after being censored & was wondering what had happened to Dr. Ralph & other posters. Now I know. Enough for now.

LK.